Today’s episode starts with a simple but powerful question: What if curiosity were the starting point for every visitor experience? Andy Povey is joined by Donna Speed, CEO of We The Curious, the Bristol science centre that’s rethinking how museums engage visitors. Since reopening its doors after a two year closure following a tragic fire, the centre is flipping the traditional museum experience on its head. Instead of presenting finished stories, We The Curious has built experiences around the questions people are asking, from science and technology to society and the future. They talk about designing experiences around curiosity, the difference between interactive and traditional museums, and how attractions can inspire people to explore the world in new ways.
In this episode of Skip the Queue, Andy Povey is joined by Donna Speed, CEO of We The Curious, to explore how curiosity can transform visitor experiences. Following major challenges, including COVID-19 and a devastating fire in 2022, the organisation rebuilt with a strong community-first approach, taking science directly to people through outreach while the venue was closed.
The conversation focuses on a shift from traditional, answer-led exhibitions to question-led experiences, highlighted by the “Project What If” exhibition built from over 20,000 public questions. Donna shares how co-creation, inclusivity, and audience-led design are reshaping engagement, and how attractions can balance education and entertainment, remain relevant, and inspire curiosity in new ways.
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Donna Speed - CEO of We The Curious
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Andy Povey: Today's episode starts with a simple but powerful question. What if curiosity was the starting point for every visitor experience? Welcome to Skip the Q, the podcast for the attractions industry. Today, we're joined by Donna Speed, chief exec of we the Curious, the Bristol Science Centre that's rethinking how museums engage visitors. Back in 2022, just as the world was speeding up out of the enforced shutdown caused by the COVID 19 pandemic and we the Curious was getting ready for a busy Easter holiday, disaster struck. A fire on the roof caused significant damage. Fortunately, no one was hurt, but the center was closed again for another two years. Donna talks to us about the recovery and how the centre is flipping the traditional museum experience on its head.
Andy Povey: Instead of presenting finished stories, We the Curious has built experiences around the questions people are asking, from science and technology to society and the future. We're going to talk about designing experiences around Curiosity and the difference between interactive and traditional museums, how attractions can inspire people to explore the world in new ways.
Donna Speed: So I'm Donna Speed, I'm the chief executive of we the Curious and it is a science centre and an educational charity on the beautiful harbour of Bristol. We're an interactive science centre with about 300,000 visitors a year. About 70,000 of those are schoolchildren. And. And we've got two floors full of interactive science exhibits, a planetarium that looks a bit like a disco ball from the outside. Lovely venue, high spaces, shopped cafe, you know what you'd expect, and two lovely big squares as well. Yeah, it's public spaces.
Andy Povey: The place hasn't always been called Read the Curious, has it? That's a rebrand that happened.
Donna Speed: So I joined in 2000 and it was called at Bristol and within the at Bristol venues was Explore. And that is now what is we the Curious. So, yeah, were called At Bristol initially And then in 2015, 16, we started to ask ourselves some pretty big questions and went out to our audiences and asked them what they wanted and one of the things that they wanted was for us to change our name. So we did.
Andy Povey: Fantastic.
Donna Speed: We became We the Curious in 2017, along with a big shift, really, in our direction and our values and our vision and everything.
Andy Povey: So what was that shift? Tell me more.
Donna Speed: Well, went out to all of our communities with a questionnaire about what we could and should be in the future. And I think because when we opened in 2000, it was a really different time. You know, we've just been talking pre this about phones and actually that, you know, you can get access to any content now, can't you? And absolutely that wasn't the case back in 2000. So this was kind of people's gateway into science. If you, if it didn't come naturally and you weren't excited at school, here was another way of doing that which really excited me. But then in 2015 were, you know, like any good teenager, starting to question ourselves and, and were great.
Donna Speed: It was Bristol's Green Capital Year and were really involved in that because we've always, you know, had a big voice in future sustainability. And one of our venues originally, Wild Walk, was around kind of safeguarding the planet and the part we can play in that and biodiversity. And so it's always been a key area for us, but weren't entirely sure what position we should take in terms of making statements, calling for action. So that really started us questioning who were, what were best placed to be. And it was a moment when we decided to be audience led. That was the pit where went out and went to, as I say, every community.
Donna Speed: We went via a local news outlet to volunteers, to staff, to schools, teachers, community hubs and just asked what do you want us to be? And they came back and they knew, they absolutely knew what they wanted and changing the name was one of them, but also for us to carry on being interactive, to not just be for children because were traditionally, you know, our whole identity and our visual identity was to, to speak to children. But then they said, no, we want you to be for all of us. Yeah, to take a stance where you could. And that's what really helped with the kind of green capital side of things and to be more collaborative, but crucially be more collaborative and going into those questions like including us, including your community. So that where, you know, that our direction came from.
Andy Povey: What fantastic resource for you as chief executive, this organisation that is looking for, where this position should be, to have the community behind you on that.
Donna Speed: And it keeps us relevant as well because actually we're not, you know, a group of people around a board table saying what do we think people need? You know, it's like that's that and I think that, you know, that will work in some places, but for us it's very much, well, what are people curious about? What is going on and how can we play a part in that?
Andy Povey: Very interesting. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall for some of those conversations.
Donna Speed: It sounds so linear now, like, oh, yeah, it was weird because it was a massive change for us. And change is really hard. Change is really hard.
Andy Povey: Not everybody likes it.
Donna Speed: No.
Andy Povey: And when you're part of the community like that, then the community doesn't like it, does it? It's never changed for the better, is it? Or it's never perceived to change for the better.
Donna Speed: And I think that not everybody agrees. So there's really interesting conversations on, okay, well, we have this view and they're opposing. So how do we find a way back? And that's really fascinating and really challenging. But I think that's where it's not our center. It is the communities, the people we serve. So, so that shift has really helped again, like when then challenges come up. It's our North Star. It's actually, well, it's, you know, how are we there for our audiences? Well, what, what is needed right now? So. And, and the only way to find that out was to talk to your audiences.
Andy Povey: Yeah, I mean, it's really difficult, not just in the museum sector, but across the whole heritage voluntary sector to really separate. What does a trustee think the organization's there for versus what does the audience think they're there for? Well done. So moving on to what's going off right now, obviously there was a quite traumatic incident we the curious, two, three years ago. I don't mean to go back over all ground or upset anything.
Donna Speed: No, no. Well, it's really interesting because actually it's just part of us. It's part of what's happened to us. And there was again, it was another opportunity for us to go, okay, well what do we do now? And again, we didn't go, well, let's do this big insurance claim. We went, okay, well how are we there for our audiences? And straight away we got two electric vans and took everything out. We went to everywhere that would have us. We went to festivals, places of worship, schools, bingo halls, libraries, anywhere you go. I went everywhere. And they. And were welcomed. And. And actually it's an opportunity to build that relationship even more. So when we reopened, were sell out for months. Yeah, it was incredible.
Donna Speed: It was actually a bit of a problem because not people couldn't visit us. You know, it was again that moment of okay, well what do we do? It wasn't okay, how do we. How, how do we do this? It was like, how do we the know our community science center do this? And so that. That was really clear. And the trustees were completely behind that and our audiences and our staff were incredible. But it was quite interesting because during COVID we didn't have any of the support packages that other. Other venues quite rightly needed. And were putting in project what if, which is around the kind of community's curiosity. So were really proud of it. But it came at a quite a challenging time.
Donna Speed: You couldn't leave your house, but were trying to get people over from the. To install the exhibition and miraculously we managed to do it, but we needed it. But it really, you know, the COVID really impacted us and we needed to make a significant saving from staff. And so went through a whole process online to do that. And the team were incredible. Every single member of the team gave up their hours so that they could save jobs. Every single person in the organization did this.
Andy Povey: Wow.
Donna Speed: So then we, when we did reopen with this brand new beautiful exhibition everywhere, it reopened. So we didn't have the moment in the sun, you know, to kind of.
Andy Povey: Yeah, yeah, that real honeymoon blockbuster.
Donna Speed: Exactly. So, and so this was pre fire. So after the, after Covid, we opened very gently and at the speed of trust because people didn't want to go indoors at that point. So we opened it 50% capacity. All the teams had less hours than they deserved, and we reopened very slowly. And then we just about to get to kind of at April 2022 when were like, right, we are going to be 100% capacity. We'd done a huge piece of work to make sure that everybody got their hours back and their pay. And it was all we were feeling quite ambitious, quite excited. Yeah. And that was April 22nd. And the first Saturday of the Easter holidays is when the fire on the roof happened.
Donna Speed: Oh, the very week that we could say thank you teams for backing us and helping us survive was the week that the fire happened. And it was completely, it was, you know, it was a devastating fire. And I remember seeing the, you know, plumes of black smoke kind of driving towards, you know, you get the WhatsApp message. We have a fire like, okay. And then seeing the. Is like, well, it's gone. It's all gone. And so I was, you know, thinking, okay, well maybe we pop up as other centers within communities, which is quite interesting. I knew everyone would be safe because my team are incredible. But. But yeah, getting there. And then the water just absolutely devastated the water they extinguished the fire with waste was the real problem, actually.
Donna Speed: The amount of water they put on the roof out just cascaded through all the venues, so into every nook and cranny. But what was wonderful was, you know, again, were able to honour everybody's hours and the, the strength of the team just being like, right, let's do this. Just incredible. I'm completely floored by them. Yeah, they're brilliant. And they just took activities out. They did school takeovers. Schools that, you know, perhaps wouldn't have been able to. To visit us very often, if at all. So we took every opportunity to go to the most deprived areas and to build. Build relationships while we had a moment.
Andy Povey: No, that sounds like a really interesting change. And really, it's a pivot. But of course they're not necessarily the most positive reasons.
Donna Speed: No, no, it was really strange because we ended up going to a, a temporary office as well, within a shared office. It was the posh we've ever been. Excellent coffee and. Yeah, it was. And were, we. I think it was really interesting because were with lots of corporate but, you know, kind of organizations and so, you know, some of my team would turn up with blue hair and just see eyes widening. But I think we genuinely created really good friendships and relationships in that space. But it was like we had to dig deep with our identity because going from a venue where you live and breathe it every day to a place that feels very shiny and white walls was. Was quite interesting to keep us who we are and what makes us.
Donna Speed: Which was really interesting.
Andy Povey: Very interesting. So We The Curious is different. It's not a normal museum. It says it in the name. So talk to us about your new exhibition or it's not new, is it? Project what if?
Donna Speed: Yeah, so that's the one that went out when were really considering being audience led.
Andy Povey: Yeah.
Donna Speed: There was some funding from Wellcome around for a new program for science centers. And so we had started collecting questions anyway and we took this really cool mirrored cube, huge mirrored cube into every postcode and we just started collecting questions with an ambition to collect 10,000 questions. But we collected 20,000 and we're collecting them every day as well. Like we, you know, it continues.
Andy Povey: What kind of questions?
Donna Speed: Every question. Every question. And actually it was really interesting. So there was a lot of duplications. Yeah. And just before, as were thinking about the questions and which ones to choose. Not that we chose them, but we had an exhibit in the foyer which just started to list out the types of questions were getting. There was a lot about Pooh God, but it's just really fascinating. And the questions that we've ended with. We have seven questions in the exhibition that's unpacked in really different ways and that they're really unique because people ask questions in different ways as well.
Andy Povey: Yeah, yeah.
Donna Speed: And there are questions that we would never have chosen as a science center. So, yeah, that's. So the question asking was really great and. And captured people's imaginations as well. So, you know, they could remember the cube coming into their. Their space or, you know, and we. We went everywhere went again, you know, we go to pubs and prisons and everything just to see what people are curious about. It was really good. And so that. That kind of. Yeah, that was the way that we started the new direction was with a great big exhibition that was, you know, I think it's 6.2 million in the end. We got that initial grant of 3 million and it was really fascinating because you could just.
Donna Speed: It's not, you know, what have we got in the cupboard in the back, but much more around actually. What. What are people interested in? And then we used our brilliant community contacts to help create the exhibition.
Andy Povey: You're not looking at a collection and then going, well, what answers does a collection provide? You're approaching this from, what questions do we have? What do people want to know? And then how do we use what we've got to answer those questions? It's a very different approach to creating an exhibition.
Donna Speed: And it's very open. And I think sometimes, and this is certainly from, you know, when I was a child, I thought science was a thing that was done and you knew it or you didn't. It was over there and it was by very posh people and people who are much cleverer than me. So you don't necessarily ask questions to something you think is. If it's just something, a yes or no, or let me impart this information to you, it can feel intimidating or it can feel a bit boring if it's like, well, it's already been discovered. But science is not that. Science is everyday culture. We're all part of science and we all have questions. We're all curious about something.
Donna Speed: And so I think curating an exhibition based on the curiosity of its citizens and its communities is a way for all of us to be represented. And there are answers within that, but there are always questions to take it further. And I think that's what is really special about this exhibition, that it's got people at its heart.
Andy Povey: I love that. Love it. So designing that, how do you go to Find a museum designer or a museum curatorial team that are used to working in one way and then just turn that completely on its head.
Donna Speed: Yeah. And actually we, you know, we've got a workshop team and we've got incredible team that would create our own exhibits. So this was going out to see who was excited about this concept, who, you know, and so who. And a bit like the, you know, the open city lab that we have with researchers who's excited to get people at the heart at the start of their research. And so it is a kind of bit self selecting and people who are energized by that. And we worked with really incredible artists, collaborators, the fabricators, the designers and yeah, we, you know, were very lucky but we did this, you know, similar thing. We put it out to tender and we, we looked at who was most excited by that.
Donna Speed: But the really exciting thing as well was working with the schools on picking the questions and you know, and the residents who are amplified and are represented in those exhibits. So that kept it right and that even now we're kind of the programming that goes on. It's not us presenting to people, it's, it's kind of with our communities and our partners.
Andy Povey: One thread through the past 10 minutes of conversation has all been about the community. You're obviously very heavily embedded and it's really important part of what you're doing obviously. How did you get across that cross to the trustees right at the start.
Donna Speed: So to be honest, a bit like the kind of tender out to people who are excited and energised by the type of project this was going to be. We, the curious at the time of becoming its new direction would attract trustees who were excited by that, who excited about being a community science center. And so I mean we've gone out for trustees and we're inundated with incredible people. But then there's always the challenge that you need a trustee board who are going to give you know, kind of challenge and make sure that you're, you know, being scrutinized and the rigor is there. So it's really healthy debate. But it wasn't necessarily a convincing, it was a, a team effort and developed together which is really good. And we've.
Donna Speed: Yeah, I, I look, I think about our board now and they're incredible. They, you know, there's no kind of like bringing them up on the ambition. It's like keeping up and yeah, they're great.
Andy Povey: So It's a coming together of mind then.
Donna Speed: Yeah, I think so. And also a bit of response to what's happening society and perhaps, you know, that the ambition that things can be different, you can respond and adapt, and that's really exciting. So that's why I think we get that, you know, we attract people who are really committed to that and then really champion it.
Andy Povey: Yeah, love it. So project what if is all about questions. Not bad answers. And you had 20,000 questions. How did you distill those down? And what makes a good question for inclusion in the exhibition? Is it all about pooh?
Donna Speed: Yeah, so. So, you know, and that was a. I think that was a really critical point as well, that we could have gone. Thanks so much, you know, back over to us. And I remember a particular meeting with somebody who went, oh, what if they get the questions wrong? And I had this moment of like, oh, good, people are feeling uncomfortable. That means we're getting it right. That means the power's not with us, you know, So I was really pleased about that moment. And so, yeah, we had all these questions and went through for duplications. And then we invited school children, called our curious researchers, to come and kind of work with us on telling us what they were most excited by, what they're most curious about and intrigued by. And.
Donna Speed: And also the ones that. Like the outliers. The one that was like, oh, I don't like that one. They came back as well. Yeah. We did workshops with 15 schools. There's about over 200 school children to help us through that process and community partners as well. And, yeah, the questions that we've ended up with are really lovely. One of my favorite questions in the world is, can science see your soul?
Andy Povey: No.
Donna Speed: Kieran, the boy who asked that question, was five when he asked that question.
Andy Povey: Wow.
Donna Speed: And you know, that could be a question that a PhD student asks. And yet, like, so it's a real question asking is a real leveler as well. So, yeah, they're fascinating. And who was the first person to see Sand? Like, well, that's. You can look at that in so many different ways. So they're really. They are really beautiful questions.
Andy Povey: Very good. And you've talked a lot about inclusion and taking the. The questions of the exhibition out to the local community, the certain sections of society that sort of unevenly or inequitably represented in the whole science, technology, engineering, mathematics, environment. Why is that an important mission?
Donna Speed: Well, I think because traditionally people have been excluded. And like I said at the top, I never felt that Science was for me and I think that there's a real deficit of voices in science and you know, we've got some pretty big problems coming up. We need every voice and we are really limiting ourselves and we need different lived experience and ideas and that kind of multidisciplinary approach, kind of, you know, bringing different disciplines together to come up with something really special. And I think that science centers like we the Curious are really lovely places to be able to demonstrate that can and is powerful when it does happen.
Donna Speed: And one of the things I'm really keen on is that, you know, when we first started it was about inspiring people about science and I actually think it's about inspiring science with people love it. I genuinely, I think that people at the heart of it is going to see us through most things.
Andy Povey: Ultimately we're human beings. It's what, trans editing, isn't it?
Donna Speed: Exactly, yeah. And we're capable of amazing things. We just need to stop popping ourselves in little boxes.
Andy Povey: Yeah, yeah.
Donna Speed: Bringing people together, having big conversations, seeing what's possible, it's what the world needs. And I think that places like with the curious are really important part of that.
Andy Povey: So we've spoken on some quite broad topics right there. We The Curious is very much about hands on interaction. Is there still a place for the traditional museum with the gas cases, the barriers?
Donna Speed: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think that those museums are adapting. There's more, you know, multimedia approaches and interactive approaches in museums. I think there's a way to go on reparation and you know, but the kind of awe and wonder and the looking back, the science centres is about looking forward really. And looking back, I think is also important. I think there's room for us all.
Andy Povey: Yes, yeah, absolutely. You mentioned reparation. You're in Bristol, quite a hot topic in your area, at least it was a couple of years ago.
Donna Speed: Yeah. And I think that, you know, and Bristol has that reputation and it is a deserved reputation. You know, we're, I think that we're a very active city and that's really important. I think that because we are based in that, you know, in that context and that community, then it's got to be a part of what we're thinking about all the time. But there's some incredible things happening across the region in terms of reparation and thinking about what is the things to do now and yeah, so I think, you know, progress is being made for sure.
Andy Povey: So We The Curious you mix a blend of entertainment and education is that line static? Does it move? How do you manage the. Not going too far down the entertainment route, too far down the education route?
Donna Speed: Yeah, that's a good question. I think if entertainment is being used to coat or like sugarcoat something, it's not going to work. It's not, you know, and so, But I think things can. Should be playful if they can be. You know, life's too short to make every, you know, if you can make it more playful, then do I think is a good rule of thumb. But where there are some big topics, I think if you're not, I think there's a risk there in kind of trying to make it more palatable or dumbed down or, you know, I think organizations can sometimes underestimate its audiences.
Donna Speed: And so I think if, you know, if there is a, a pendulum or a dial that probably is always moving, but if you go too far one way, it'll swing back too far the other. So. So yeah, and depending on the topic, depending on the, you know, because you can be really playful with something that is a bit cheeky or. But if it's something that is, you know, a bit upsetting and can be quite anxiety heightening for people, then being sensitive and kind of calming that down, I think. So being flexible, I think is right.
Andy Povey: Yeah, we've evidenced that or illustrated that in this podcast, haven't we? You know, didn't think we'd be talking reparations and poo in this. There we go in the same half hour.
Yet here we are.
Andy Povey: So, We The Curious, I think it's safe to say you're leading the way. A bunch of people who are leading the way on that whole interaction piece. Are you getting the old, more traditional museums coming and knocking on the door and asking you to help? And if not, why not?
Donna Speed: Yeah, yeah. Where are they? Well, I think that the attractions industry is very collaborative. You know, we play well together, we work well together and we're inspired by each other. So it's no longer, you know, when I think about the early days of my career, I would sneak off to other theme parks because I was working at theme parks then and I'm just like, what are they doing? And, and it's very different now. You know, we, we want, we want to bolster each other and particularly for science centers, we are so carefully located. We don't really compete with each other. We were able to share and celebrate each other. And I think that's the same.
Donna Speed: Certainly in Bristol, you know, the attractions and the museums and the zoo and Essex, Great Britain and, you know, kind of our. Our peers and neighbors, we work really closely together and I think there's power in that. Like, if we're all lifting each other up and maybe the competition is more around other cities or other countries rather than our neighbours, that makes absolute sense.
Andy Povey: I mean, we share a history of Alton Towers. I think were both there once upon a time. Moving from a very big theme park environment like Alton Towers or Merlin Entertainment, the two sort of groups it was back in those days to. To a museum and more heritage environment is a big change.
Donna Speed: Yeah.
Andy Povey: There aren't that many of us that have done it.
Donna Speed: Yeah, it is. It doesn't feel like that big when you do it, but it is. Actually, I was quite intimidated going from something that was about just the joy of the experience and the magic and the kind of, you know, and it was a real. It was really instilled with us, you know, as, you know, Alton Towers around safeguarding that magical experiences for people who've saved up a lot of money to come today. And there was a real pride in being a custodian of that experience and keeping that magic alive. And then going to somewhere that is like an educational charity where the metrics of success feel different and I didn't understand them and then kind of starting to understand it a little bit more.
Donna Speed: But for me personally, and I love Dalton Towers so much, but then going to somewhere where you can have a conversation with somebody and you literally see them, it makes such a difference and they go, oh. So I'm part of science. It is for me. And like. And you see, you know, and obviously that sounds quite corny and it's done in many different ways across of a lifetime, but there's something where you can just see someone go, oh, I get it. I've got a question about that. And I feel safe to ask that. Oh, I, you know, I find that really hard to leave. I mean, I'm 26 years there now
Andy Povey: And that's hairs up on the back of the neck kind of description as you're running.
Donna Speed: It's amazing. And the feedback we get is incredible. And, you know, we're at. We're at the age now where people have came to visit us as a child, had some important experiences along with. With others and are now in science or are animators or, you know, kind of in things that they've experienced and that they say, well, here was a real key moment for me and I Had someone recently that I met who didn't get on at school, came to we the curious at Bristol and then we the curious regularly and then went to university and is now a researcher and just like. And just says, oh, it's here, it's because of here. Like, like, oh, wow, you know, so, yeah, it's.
Donna Speed: It's a really lovely way to learn if you are not necessarily going to learn in, you know, in the more traditional way at school. So it offers a really lovely alternative and is a confidence boost to see yourself in science.
Andy Povey: Yeah, yeah, very much.
Donna Speed: And so that is a shift. That is a shift and fun and it's exciting, but it's not quite, you know, it did take some reflection on. On what I was missing and what I was gaining.
Andy Povey: Very interesting. You've inspired me, Donna. Thank you.
Donna Speed: Excellent.
Andy Povey: So if you could look into the minds of everybody as they left with the curious and you were looking at them, you wanted them all to take away one question, what would it be?
Donna Speed: Oh, I want them to be different questions. So one of the things that we say with the curious is the power of what if. So, okay, the power of what if? It's a real kind of hopeful, open, explorative question around. And so we try to use that internally so that we don't just fall into our, you know, norms. What if we did something differently? What if this could be possible? What? You know, and so I hope that. I hope that people are asking, what if?
Andy Povey: I love that. Listeners, maybe you should take out a leaf out of Donna's book. That's yourself. What? What if I did that? Love it. So I try and bring every conversation we have on, skip the queue back to a little piece of advice for our listeners. And they range from theme parks to farm parks to museums to galleries, the whole of visitor attractions. But if you were running your own attraction, maybe without a welcome collection donation, what would you do? What would you. You're looking at a new exhibit or a new thing to put in. What would be your advice to someone that's going to do that?
Donna Speed: I mean, it's going to sound really boring because we've just talked about it, but I think, ask your audiences what they want to see and what they're interested in, how they can get involved as well. Because I think if you're building it with your audience in mind and they're steering it, you really can't go wrong. So I would say the first thing to do, and it's, you know, it can. It can feel like a really big undertaking, but it can just be going to chat to people. It's just, you know, it really is going on your exhibition floor or your, you know, your local park or, you know, like it isn't hard. Like we're all in the business to work with people.
Donna Speed: So yeah, I think my advice is to not necessarily think that you know best ask your audiences and also maybe in the time we're living is to approach it with hope.
Andy Povey: Lovely. I'm going to end on that note, listeners, just take away one thing from this. What if we're all to hope a little bit more? 100% Donna, thank you.
Andy Povey: Well, I really enjoyed that. I hope you did too. Some very positive messages from Donna about the value of hope and faith in the future. If you enjoyed hearing about the work that We The Curious are doing, visit them at WeTheCurious.org to find out more.
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