In this episode of Skip the Queue, we’re joined by Debs from Sundown Adventureland, a truly unique attraction shaped not just by its story, but by the women behind it. What started as a small petting zoo in her grandmother Audrey’s garden has grown into one of the UK’s most beloved family theme parks. Remarkably, Sundown has been owned and run by three generations of women, each leaving their mark while staying true to a shared vision of creating magical experiences for young families. We explore how the park has evolved over time, the challenges of running an attraction in a changing world, and why staying focused on children under 10 continues to set Sundown apart.
Andy Povey is joined by Debs Griffin, Director of Sundown Adventureland, to explore a family-run theme park shaped by three generations of women. The conversation covers its growth into a leading destination for young families, alongside insights on expansion, operations, and maintaining a clear focus on imaginative play for children under 10.
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Debs Griffin, Director of Sundown Adventureland
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Andy Povey: In this episode of Skip the Queue, we're joined by Debs from Sundown Adventureland, a truly unique attraction shaped not just by its storey, but by the women behind it.
Debs Griffin: It's always been about family. Always.
Andy Povey: What started as a small petting zoo in her grandmother Audrey's back garden has grown into one of the UK's most beloved family theme parks.
Debs Griffin: People were coming round to buy the produce and the eggs and the cakes and things. They were like, oh, my God, have you got a monkey? And then, you know, they'd come into the garden, they'd play on Mum's toys, and it literally just developed from there.
Andy Povey: Remarkably, Sundown has been owned and run by three generations of women, each leaving their mark while staying true to the shared vision of creating magical experiences for young families.
Debs Griffin: We still didn't get no handouts. We still have to work our way from the bottom. There is not one job on this park that I haven'.
Andy Povey: We explore how the park has evolved over time.
Debs Griffin: The first attraction that she'd spent a million on, that was Grandma's baby.
Andy Povey: The challenges of running an attraction in a changing world and why staying focused on Children Under 10 continues to set Sundown apart.
Debs Griffin: The magic's still there. Run, jump, swing, slide, because that's all you need. Just be in the moment. Enjoy those kiddies.
Andy Povey: Welcome to Skip the Queue, the podcast where you get to meet some of the incredible people working in visitor attractions. Brought to you by Merac. I'm your host, Andy Povey.
Debs Griffin: My grandparents worked at Rampton Hospital, which is literally just around the corner from us. That was where they met each other and they got together and then they decided that they wanted to buy a property. So this property came up. The bungalow was called Sundown. That's where Sundown comes from. It's just a development from the name of the bungalow. Then they realised they couldn't afford the bungalow that they originally bought, so needed to do other things on the side. So they grew produce, they had chickens. My grandmother used to bake cakes and things like that. And one day they went to a pet shop in Worksop, which is quite a way away from us when you don't drive, don't have a car, and they saw a monkey in the pet shop.
Debs Griffin: So Grandma comes away and she's like, I really want. I really want it. I really want it. So Granddad says, we'll have a go with tennis and if you win, we'll go back, we'll get the monkey. She didn't win, but she had a temper. Tantrum and she got her own way, bless her. And so then she got this taste for pets that were different. So she had monkeys and parrots and more monkeys and then she started rescuing animals in different places. So then when people were coming round to buy the produce and the eggs and the cakes and things, they were like, oh, my God, have you got a monkey? You know, they'd come into the garden, they'd play on mum's toys and it literally just developed from there.
Debs Griffin: So they made a little bit more money, they bought a little bit more land, they did a little bit more. At one point she was breeding thousands of chickens that, you know, went for meat and then, you know, bought bigger toys, bought more animals, bought more land and so on and so on.
Andy Povey: Wow. How long ago was all of that?
Debs Griffin: In the late 50s, early 60s.
Andy Povey: So like 75, 80 years ago.
Debs Griffin: Yeah. So officially we're 60 in 2028. That was when Sundown started charging an admission, but obviously there was years previous to that when they did all the other bits and pieces to expand on the hand.
Andy Povey: What an incredibly interesting growth story.
Debs Griffin: If you're going to send an Adventureland, there's lots to doing, lots to see and it's fun because it's got lots of rides, different playgrounds, loads of different places to explore. We are an Under Thames children's theme park in Nottinghamshire. We cater for different events throughout the year. We've got Santa Claus at Christmas, we've just had a new Easter Warren Grotto open this year. We've got some surprises hopefully in store for Halloween. We have all different attractions and rides that are specific for your younger family members, so encouraging children to come just let loose. There's loads of free play, small rides which everybody can enjoy, from, you know, baby in arms to grandma and granddad. We've got accommodation as well, so, you know, your day doesn't have to end.
Andy Povey: So what's your favourite story from the early days? What's your favourite memory?
Debs Griffin: So, so many. We still had animals when I was little. We didn't have exotic animals. I think the most exotic animals we had were baby foxes. My grandma used to rescue baby foxes from when the guys would go out on the hunts. They were like puppies. We was allowed to play with them for so long and then they had to go to a proper rehabilitation place to be released in the area. And then, honestly, when I say random people would just turn up at my grandma's house with animals that they didn't want or found on the street, it still happened. Not that long ago, my grandma ended up with a parakeet and it was just a bloke.
Debs Griffin: He was like, I've just found this bird driving down the road, so I just thought I'd bring it here. You still take pets, don't you? I'll take it, that's fine. We'll figure it out. But, yeah, it's gotta be the animals. But it is my absolute favourite memories growing up, going and mucking them out and playing with all the baby bunnies because we used to sell bunnies and guinea pigs. And me and Sean would just spend hours hid in the rabbit hutches and then people would complain that there was two kids in with the rabbits. And then more and more, me Auntie Caroline would have to come down and tell us off and get out the rabbits. But yeah, loved it. They're little ponies plaiting their air, you know.
Andy Povey: Fantastic. Growing up on a theme park or in a petting zoo, as it probably was then, has this always been what you were going to do when you grow up now?
Debs Griffin: I wanted to be a paramedic.
Andy Povey: Okay.
Debs Griffin: I wasn't clever enough to be a doctor or a vet, so originally I wanted to be a paramedic for many years. And then I moved to Blackpool with my dad and my stepmom. They bought a bed and breakfast and then parted for a couple of years and then thought, I probably should think about what I want to do. I was a bit homesick, you know, all my friends were still over here and I was just that, do you know what, maybe my grandma is right, I should come home, I should go back to school, get the qualifications. And so I came home and got a business degree. Well, I'm a year off getting a full business degree because it got to my final year. And she says, you'll do, you know, enough now.
Debs Griffin: And then sent me to work, so sent me on many other different courses instead. So then she sent me down the food hygiene route, so I'm nearly up to teaching standard in that category. And then one of our park managers left and me and Sean then did all the health and safety side of it. So we did aiosh. And then we had to do the big guns. We had to do nebosh, which was like learning a completely another language.
Andy Povey: The breadth of the experience and the training, qualifications, the education that you've done is. There's nothing you would not need that you haven't covered to operate a theme park, is there?
Debs Griffin: Oh, no. But when we was doing all our studying, so Sean Got sent off. He was ride and grounds manager at that time, so he got sent to Rhizome College to do all gardening and maintenance qualifications. I got sent off to do all the business side of it. We still didn't get no handouts. We still had to work our way from the bottom. So went from litter picking and stocking up to cleaning toilets, doing rides. There is not one job on this park that I haven't done. There is nothing that I have to ask somebody to do that I am not willing or have not done myself. Even now, if we're really short staffed, it's the middle of the summer holidays.
Debs Griffin: I remember not too long ago, me and Sean went and did ride relief.
Andy Povey: Yeah.
Debs Marie Griffin: You know, we'll still go out. I still clean the toilets every shift in Wild Acre. I don't mind cleaning the toilet. If we get lodge cleaners that don't come in, I'll go out and muck in with the girls. You know, I can. I can still cook a mean burger. I can still keep up with them all. I can still keep up. And you know what? I enjoy it. I enjoy it. Going back in and just doing a job that's going to relieve the pressure from the team. You know, just because we're short staff doesn't mean that we can't go and help. Yeah. We've got nice officers and, you know, we've got a lot of responsibility on our shoulders, but we'll always take on for the team.
Debs Griffin: We'll always go and support them and help out. Yeah.
Andy Povey: It is the customer first, isn't it? You do what you need to do 100%.
Debs Griffin: And if you haven't got a good team behind you know, if they're all exhausted and tied up because they're doing the job of three people, which in this day and age, it can happen. You know, employment's really difficult, especially when you work in a. In a seasonal industry, you're very stuck. We're also quite out in the middle of nowhere. We've not very good public transport either, so we struggle with employment. We. We can end up struggling really bad. So, you know, some days you do just need to muck in.
Andy Povey: Let's talk about what's changed since you've been working at Sundown full time.
Debs Griffin: Well, one of my first jobs was crash landings, our massive indoor soft play. At the time it was built, it was the biggest soft play in the uk. Four storeys of play. And then we've got a cafe there as well. And before we opened Wild Acre, the resort with the lodgers, we put an extension on the front so as the evening guests could have a more sit down meal. So we put an extension on in there. But it turns out they don't want to sit on those chairs. They want to sit on the ones where they can see the kiddies in the play area. So.
Andy Povey: Absolutely.
Debs Griffin: Used as overspilled seating for busier times. But it really did finish it off. So that was. It wasn't my project but it was the first time my grandma decided to give me responsibility. So because I'd finished at college and I'd got all my food hygiene and health and safety and all things like that, she decided it was my turn to get something and own it. So I got to run that. So I got to choose the staff in there, got to choose the kitchen layout, how it was all going to be set out and stuff. But before she decided to do that, I was, you know, we was all mucking in. We're on cherry.
Debs Griffin: I had to bring up a cherry picker licence so we could paint the walls and the beams before the play area came in. Yeah, well, I was the first person to go down the big blue slide. I did have to wait until there was nobody there because I did climb up there to be able to go down it. There was no access to get up there, but we figured it out. So yeah, I was the first one down the blue bouncy slide. So that was pretty cool.
Debs Griffin: But yeah, that was my first opportunity on the park and I got to run crash landings and wow, was it different compared to the other two cafes that we had because it was so much bigger, it was brand new, Everybody wanted their lunch in there, it was busy all the time. But I loved it, I absolutely loved it. But I only managed to do it for. Don't even know if I even did it for a year because then I got pregnant.
Andy Povey: Oh, wow. So creating the fourth generation.
Debs Griffin: So yeah, planned. It was planned. I had my son and then when I came back after having him, I took on more of a managerial office style role. So I only worked a couple of days a week. Just came in and started learning like the accounts and all the HR side of it. Helped our park manager with all the risk assessments and things like that. Did that for a couple of years and then a bigger opportunity came up to take on the park manager role. So my husband, the following day after I'd spoken to him, went and quit his job and was a stay at home dad and I came back to work full time. With a 2 and a 3 year old.
Debs Griffin: So yeah, like bow down to my husband cause raising kids, not easy and no, he absolutely smashed it. Like he sacrificed so much because, you know, he was a skilled worker and everything else like that. So yeah, he was a stay at home dad and I went out and.
Andy Povey: Started building the park.
Debs Griffin: Yeah, I've been here ever since.
Andy Povey: Then more recently you started a project six, seven years ago to provide more accommodation.
Debs Griffin: So we bought the land in 2014.
Andy Povey: Wow.
Debs Griffin: Yeah, that's how long the process was. Planning was really difficult. It really was difficult. Really expensive. It wasn't ideal. It took a lot of years to get to what we needed for the resort. We had to change everything so many times to make sure that everybody was happy and then we sorted that and then the world went into Covid. So we just got everything sorted and into place. We didn't know what was going to happen. We didn't know what was going to happen to our staff. We didn't know how long were going to be closed. We didn't know if we should break ground. Should we not break ground? In the end we decided, do you know what, let's just go for it. So we did. It was chaos.
Debs Griffin: The build and everything went absolutely brilliant. And then it came to the lodgers and it just went from bad to worse with the company that was providing us with the lodgers. They had terrible issues with staff, with management, design team, even down to their actual suppliers. So we should have opened with 45 lodgers. So the whole of the first phase should have been done. There should have been 45 lodges on there. 44 Actually, because you don't have a 13. And then they really just kept cutting back on the work, cutting back on the work. So we ended up opening with about 25 lodges, then they were drip feeding us with lodges and we managed to get up to 50 over a good couple of years.
Debs Griffin: And then that company went bust with all our next deposits.
Andy Povey: Oh no.
Debs Griffin: So they went and bust with a massive chunk of our budget for the lodgers. We then had to find another lodge company that could finish the lodges that were only half built and that could get the other ones up to standard to be able to get them live and on site. And that company has been incredible. We've decided to use them going forward as well. Really, really great team. So yeah, we hope within a couple of years we can get to that magic number of 66 and the full site finished.
Andy Povey: Fantastic.
Debs Griffin: Fingers crossed.
Andy Povey: You've obviously learned a huge amount from adding accommodation to your attraction.
Debs Griffin: Yeah, accommodation was definitely a different beast. I always thought this job was 247 and it really wasn't until we've put the accommodation in. It really is 24 7. Was it last week? The week before, Me and my younger brother was at work till one in the morning getting emergency generators because our energy centre decided to give up for every single lodge.
Andy Povey: Where do you find 45 generators in the middle of rural North Nottinghamshire?
Debs Griffin: North Scar, just down the road, literally. The company had an Electrician here within 30 minutes to see if the job could be done. At the same time he had the generators being loaded up. An incredible company. An incredible company that they really did.
Andy Povey: Mention their name. Let's give them a plug and let's celebrate.
Debs Griffin: They are called Flying Higher at North Scar Generators. Really, really great bunch of guys. It's like all local guys, all coming together to help us out. And now we have electricity again.
Andy Povey: Talk to us about your Christmas ride, listeners. Sundown. Do Christmas very well.
Debs Griffin: So that was Grandma's baby, her everything. That was the best thing she'd ever done. It was the first attraction that she'd spent a million on back when she did it. So it was the most expensive attraction she'd put in at the time. It is incredible. You don't see anything that's so immersive.
Andy Povey: So listeners on the Christmas experience, at sundown, you get in a sleigh, one of four, you get taken through the experience and then are deposited to see your Santa.
Debs Griffin: Yeah, a ride. And you see Santa and you get a gift and, you know, you can dance with our characters. The technology they used for the track, because it's a trackless track. So the sleighs are robots, if you like, and they're programmed to go around, because when you go around our ride, the sleighs can spin and it's to give that feeling that you are going through the Enchanted Forest, honestly. Whereas if you've got the squeaky tracks, it kind of just. You can only go around. There's no depth to a ride when, you know, just going around a track, which is fine. You know, we've got track rides here and they work really well, but that was just definitely beyond its time. And it works really well.
Debs Griffin: We updated it a couple of years ago and if you've been over previous years, you'll be able to notice it. But if you come and you're new and you're experiencing it for the first time, it's. It was to keep the wow factor. Basically, it was to get people not waiting outside in the cold, horrible weather. We built a beautiful arena, which is also the access into the ride now. And there's entertainment and it's just a whole experience. And, yeah, I'm biassed, but it is amazing. I think it should be every toddler's first Christmas. I just do. It is really good.
Andy Povey: And how long has that been open?
Debs Griffin: Think it's done 16 years.
Andy Povey: So as it opened, it was cutting edge. There was no one else doing anything like that at all.
Debs Griffin: Yeah, it was.
Andy Povey: Sundance focused on children under 10. Where did that come from? Was that a deliberate idea right at the start, or is this just something that's evolved?
Debs Griffin: I think because it started off with animals, that's predominantly for younger children. You know, you don't really see many teenagers wanting to go and feed a goat. So I think it was more of a natural decision. And then, you know, as sundowns got older, everybody always asks, would you ever put anything in for the older kids? And the answer will always be no. I think to be able to please everybody, you would need a lot more land, a lot more money, and it's too difficult, I think. I think we've seen it with a few different parks that have tried to expand into pleasing all the age rangers. I wouldn't like to be a park that is predominantly for teenagers now. I think generationally, they've changed a lot more.
Debs Griffin: You know, they're not so out in the open anymore. Whereas with under tens, it's a lot less screen time. They still want to go outside and play. They still want to be with mum and dad or auntie and uncle, their cousins, you know, things like that. And I think under tens is just. They're a lot easier to please.
Andy Povey: It's where the magic exists, isn't it?
Debs Griffin: The magic's still there. Yeah. The innocence is still there. You know, they still want to come and run, jump, swing, slide. You know, it's a very safe environment here. We like to keep open spaces. One of our best things, I think, about Sundown is, yes, we are a theme park. Yes, we do have rides, but you're not coming here to stand in a queue all day. We've got massive open spaces with play areas, We've got interactive walkthroughs. We've got, you know, places where the kids can go to just burn off that excess from standing in a queue. You know, I just think that is what you need for the little ones in this day and age. Let the Creativity. Just keep going.
Debs Griffin: Let them imagine that they're in the Three Little Pig storey and playing the piano. Or in Lollipop Castle mixing with the lollipopets, you know, in their own little fairy tale land.
Andy Povey: It's that freedom, isn't it? Give the kids freedom to play.
Debs Griffin: Yeah. Because, you know, the families are quite in a. In a. In a rough situation at the minute with money and everything else like that. And I just think it's just an escape for them. We're a nice reasonably priced park. You know, we don't overcharge on our food and snacks and things like that. They can just come and just enjoy their kids. We always encourage adults to join in with their children. You know, even in our soft play, we purposefully built crash landing 6 foot tall so as there was no height restrictions in there, you know, to encourage adults to step away from their phones. And we don't have WI fi on our part for guests.
Andy Povey: Intentionally.
Debs Griffin: Intentionally. So we have it obviously for card machines and things like that. We've got the capabilities to have it there. But I'm just like, as soon as we put WI FI on this park, it will just encourage more people to just sit there and miss out. Because that's all they're doing. They've arranged this fabulous day out as a family and that. That they're going to miss it. They're either. You know, I mean, I'm terrible for social media and taking pictures, but I have improved. My children have helped me improve. But, yeah, it's missing out on it. So I was the parent. That'd be like, right, I'm gonna take two pictures, I'm gonna take one of your posing and I'm gonna take one of you when you're doing something.
Debs Griffin: And then I promise the phone's going away. Cause that's all you need. Just be in the moment. Yes. Take a couple of pictures. Free memories. I get that. I get the little scrapbooks. You know, I've been the same when the children were younger. But just be in the moment, enjoy those kiddies because honestly, I didn't realise, but wow, I've blinked too many times and mine are horrible teenagers now.
Andy Povey: Sundown's now been operated or owned and operated by three generations of women in your family. What was it that your grandmother got right?
Debs Griffin: She just did everything right, didn't she? Everything goes back into the park. Don't get me wrong, my grandma had an absolutely lovely life. She went on lovely holidays, but the profit went back in. She always wanted to keep Price, you know, even now we want to keep prices as low as possible for everybody all the time. You know, not changing and chopping and different codes and this, that and the other. I'm not saying we won't change and do things like that, but it's always been about family, always. Whether it's the families that are coming through the doors or her families or the fact that we've employed, you know, family members and then their family's family members.
Debs Griffin: You know, she was so family orientated, even though she didn't think she was, that she didn't have so much time for us all. But what she forgets was were all here anyway. So she thinks that weren't all together, but were because, you know, even as young kids were brought here, you know, cause everybody was at work the summer holidays, you were brought here and, or whatever. But her values were just drilled into us from a very young age that if you want a great life and you want to succeed in life, you have to put the hard work in. End of storey. Nobody's gonna hand you anything on a plate.
Debs Griffin: And I think those morals have just been instilled generationally and I think it was amazing because she could have, you know, gone a different route and we could have been like trust fund kids and being unruly and stuff like that. But absolutely no way you'd have ever have got away with that. You know, you earned.
Andy Povey: I love the line there you've all got on your email signature from your grandma is just have the imagination and your dreams and it will happen.
Debs Griffin: Yeah. She used to say all the time and she, she was always a firm believer in you. You should always chase your dreams like you should, even if you think they're unrealistic. You've always got to have something to aim for. So yeah, she was big dreamer. But you know, you can't build something like this without it.
Andy Povey: You can't. Yeah. Go from a bungalow to a theme park attracting 300,000 visitors a year.
Debs Griffin: And it's not bad.
Andy Povey: 60 Lodges. That's really significant. Yeah, really significant. You're the third generation on this journey. What does your grandmother's legacy mean to you personally? And your mother's legacy, what does that all mean to you personally?
Debs Griffin: It's a lot of pressure, not gonna lie.
Andy Povey: A lot to live up to.
Debs Griffin: There's a lot to live up to. Yeah. Because we are officially into the third generation now. Mum's retired, so it's me and Sean now. I think we are a great team. What does it mean to me, the pressure? Like, I don't want. I don't want to fail them. Like, that is always a big thing in my head. And, you know, things within our industry are a hell of a lot more difficult now than what they've ever been. So, yeah, just. Just want to make sure that I make them proud, really.
Andy Povey: I'm sure they are. Absolutely sure they are, hopefully. So we try and sum up every episode with some advice to our listeners, because we have a broad listenership. If I'm a park owner and I've got a spare field, how do I go about adding accommodation to my offering? There's an awful lot of people doing that right now.
Debs Griffin: So your biggest challenge would be planning. You need to see what you can and can't do. So I would say go in for. There's two types of planning and for love and money. I cannot think. So you go full planning and then you can go for, like, planning in principle sort of thing. So you can test the waters. I can't remember what the technical word for it. I would say do that first, because there's no point in going in for full planning with the big price tag. If it's going to be a categorical no, you need to do this, this. I would say, if you are wanting to build more than just one or two lodges, get proper advice.
Debs Griffin: Get proper advice from a planning consultant and do it properly, because if you don't, you're going to end up facing a lot of expenses that you might not necessarily have needed beforehand. Hope you've got a good counsel and supportive neighbours and things like that, because they will always help you. So rather than doing something behind their backs, try and get them on board first and shop about, really shop about. When it comes to going out to tender for putting your infrastructure in. To your lodges, down to what you're putting in your lodges, get out there. There's loads of trade events and stuff. Even if you're just thinking about it, start going now, start getting that knowledge because you know there's. There's loads of money saving things that. That they can help you with as well.
Andy Povey: Perfect. Thank you. Final question. What are you most looking forward to happening in the next 12 months? We've just come off the back of an easter.
Debs Griffin: Ooh, next 12 months. There's. You see, there's always so much going on, whether it's behind the scenes or you can physically see it. So this is. You might think it's sad, but I don't think it is forward to a new Epoch system because I hate stocktaking. So I'm looking forward to a new Epoch system across the whole park. That is really exciting to me. Sean is probably more looking forward to making plans for the next couple of years.
Andy Povey: Yeah.
Debs Griffin: So he's secretly working on Halloween at the minute. We'd like a few changes for Halloween. We are always excited for Christmas. Y always. We're just those kind of people. And our 60th, you know, that is still there in the back of our minds all the time thinking, how big can we make it?
Andy Povey: And when is that? That's 2028, did you say?
Debs Marie Griffin: So it's May. 2028 Is the official birthday. Yeah. Week. Whips and Tide.
Andy Povey: Watch this space, listeners.
Debs Griffin: And yeah, so we've. We've got a lot of things that we're working on. Some more lodges. I am excited for more lodges, to be honest. It'd just be nice to finish the job we started. Grandma didn't make it to see it open, bless her. We lost her back end of COVID But to be fair, it was my mum's dream, the accommodation, not my grandma's. She was. Not really. She didn't get it at all. She wanted a roller coaster, not Odgers.
Andy Povey: Debs, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you. I've really enjoyed the chat, listeners. If you are thinking of adding accommodation, Debs, I'm sure you wouldn't mind people getting in touch.
Debs Griffin: No, not at all.
Andy Povey: And if you've got kids under 10, get yourselves up to North Nottinghamshire and visit Sundown. It really is a hidden gem. Yes, we are in the North Midlands of the uk. Debs, it's been wonderful. Thank you very much for your time.
Debs Griffin: Take care.
Andy Povey: Wow. Thank you, Debs. What a fascinating storey. I really can't wait to see what you guys pull out of the bag for the 60th anniversary in May 2028. Today's episode was written by Sammy Entwistle, edited by Steve Folland and produced by Emily Burrows and Sami Entwistle from Plaster, as well as Wenalyn Dionaldo from Skip the Queue.
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